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Still complaining about using KFC to cox children off roofs being beaten at fight clubs in state care you fucking morons?
Earlier this week the right wing media and ZB Troll Farm responded to KCF used to cox down teenagers from a Oranga Tamariki youth detention as further evidence of the cuddle a crime mentality of the Left.
I’m not sure what the Right’s solution was?
SAS using helicopters?
Police dogs and Tear Gas?
Snipers?
That’s the level of intellect the NZ population use on crime and young people these days.
Now we find out sexual assault allegations and a fight club that staff oversaw.
12 OT staff have been stood down.
Oranga Tamariki is a Frankenstein monster, a neoliberal welfare experiment conjured up by Bill English and big data.
Luxon has already promised to revive this horror process if elected in 2023.
So what is the ‘social investment’ model?
Let’s look at Oranga Tamariki.
The argument is that children from backgrounds with specific features were the worst in terms of cost to the state, so if the state stepped in and removed the children quickly enough, that cost will fall.To do this they passed law reducing the legal rights of parents, streamlined their 0800 numbers and weaponised uplifts.
They also ensured that people with children taken from them are ineligible for legal aid so they couldn’t fight back legally.
Oranga Tamariki has always been about saving the State money and the welfare of the child is secondary to that!
Since the Royal Inquiry into Historic Abuse, Public Services Commission  has done all it can to remove OT oversight and roll it into the ERO so that it saves the State money if children are abused in our care!
Public Services Commission Boss Peter Hughes was the chief executive at MSD in the 2000s that oversaw obscene tactics that included hiring private detectives to dig dirt on victims who were complaining about being abused in state care in a Test case that if MSD had lost would have cost the State untold in damages.
The elite Wellington Bureaucratic class want to remove the threat of costs and damages from poorly funded social services and the ‘social investment model’ is a means to spend money on the most costliest of those social problems without actually universally funding services.
For the State, amputating social responsibilities and the legal threat of damages frees them up from having to spend any money in the first place.
Rather than creating more taxes like a Capital Gains Tax or Financial Transaction Tax to properly funded the welfare of children in State care, it’s easier to amputate the responsibility altogether.
Social Investment is a bullshit term for ending universal provision of welfare under the guise of providing more resource for the most at risk target demographic.
Oranga Tamariki is that experiment in play.
One of the reasons OT was created was because National claimed CYFs, the old system, had a higher statistical risk of children being abused in state care than left in the community…

Children in state care are being abused and CYF is failing them – report
Children removed from their family home are being sexually and physically abused in foster homes – and the Social Development Minister says there’s no evidence they’re any better off in state care.
…you can’t pretend to be shocked that two OT staff were caught abusing vulnerable children in State Care BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT UNDERFUNDED STATE CHILD AGENCIES DO!
Remember this is the Government that removed the Children’s Commissioner who should have had oversight to look at systemic failures!
What is most outrageous here is that this pocket child prison seemed to have been flying under the radar…
Children’s Commissioner Judge Frances Eivers​ said her staff arrived to carry out an unannounced inspection of a facility, which she described as “prison like” and under resourced.
…how the fuck is it allowed to exist with barely any oversight and you only catch them out when you do a ‘surprise’ visit?
Oranga Tamariki is a brownwashed under resourced neoliberal experiment in welfare aimed at saving the State money down stream while minimising legal liability, it sure as fuck doesn’t have the interests of the child at heart.
Watching the Political Right, who would want way more Social Investment, decry the abuse it creates to demand more of that Social Investment is the very definition of sophistry.
But don’t pretend abuse of vulnerable children in State Care surprises you, don’t dare.
Don’t.
We refuse to tax the rich to fund this social infrastructure and look for neoliberal experiments to cut costs and protest the State from liability.
This is all on us.
This is why the Children’s Commissioner needs to be put back in an oversight role over OT.
Still complaining about using KFC to cox children off roofs being beaten at fight clubs in state care you fucking morons?
 
 
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Every parent and grandparent needs to be aware that in the event of an unforeseen tragedy, their children could end up in the hands of Oranga Tamariki, and reflect upon whether that’s good enough. The fight club violence should have all of us crying, and raging against the dumping of the Commissioner for Children, against the ineptitude of the government ministers involved, and querying the role of States Services Commissioner Hughes, and considering whether it is they who should all be incarcerated, in the best interests of our best investment in the future, all of our kids.
Whinging about KFC ? Whinging about KFC ? Bill English’s economic units being given paltry comfort food far far too late along the track is issue here.
“The fight club violence should have all of us crying, and raging against the dumping of the Commissioner for Children, against the ineptitude of the government ministers involved, and querying the role of States Services Commissioner Hughes, and considering whether it is they who should all be incarcerated,…………”
Ain’t that the truth!
And it seems the window dressing is continuing. ( https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/493262/oranga-tamariki-staff-organise-fights-between-youths-to-show-who-s-boss-ex-resident-says )
Arapuni Mana now sits on an advisory board for Oranga Tamariki, as does a relative of mine (also one of those yoof politicians) whose 3 siblings have also gone through the process – some of them severely damaged and only NOW slowly getting their shit together.
There’s a lot of hand wringing and faux concern from Munsters and public servants (and I blame the latter as much as the former).
I blame the public servants because they managed to change a good idea (the concept of Family Groups Conferences) into a complete and utter failure – merely a box ticking exercise that let them off the hook.
And yes, Peter Hughes should be at the head of the queue when it comes to hold people to account.
Snow White, I originally thought the dumping of the Commisioner for Children was a retrograde step, but now I’m not so sure. We need to be cognisant of the fact that these appalling things have been happening under thd CfC’s watch. The managers at these facilities are the ones that should be sacked and charged. Their lack of oversight, or thuggery, is beyond excuse; they have been getting paid under false pretences.
The grand old tradition of the Reformatory School, as developed by The Philanthropic Society of London, should continue to be supported, and social reformers should ensure that such working communities are properly provided within all Borstals — including cultural activities, such as the band and the football team.
The training ships of the Royal Navy and Marine Society should resume their vital role in providing high quality, full-time lodging, education and work experience for the boys — both those sentenced to the Borstal, and separately for those with insufficient care (orphans, children of convicts, children from the worst slums etc.)
The girls remaining on land must continue to be given the experience of running the Borstal community: agricultural work, tailoring, shoemaking & weaving, baking & cookery, laundry work, etc. There should be no excuse for not providing Borstal inmates the same quality of instruction and discipline as those in the cadet unit at a G.P.S. grammar school.
Martyn – Nicely put…so what is the Labour doing again?
Martyn – Nicely put…so what is the Labour doing again?
Labour doing what Labour does best,nothing.
They don’t know what to do.
“Social Investment is a bullshit term for ending universal provision of welfare under the guise of providing more resource for the most at risk target demographic.”
…so it’s akin to, e.g., race based surgery metrics?
As long as it is considered normal for everyone to do what seems right to them we will have social problems. While increased taxes to improve social services is an answer it does not remove the source of the problem which is related to the inequality & lack of opportunity/ability for many to see a sustainable future in their current situation.
The correct response was to let them freeze up there and miss a couple of meals.
This comment for me sums up the glorious stupidity of the right. These organisations have a duty of care to these kids in the hope the State won’t abuse them. You can’t leave them out on the roof you fucking moron because that would open the state up to a claim of failing in their duty of care.
YOU WILL OF COURSE PAY THE BILL FOR THAT WILL YOU ANDREW?
You could simply prop a ladder up against the roof edge and walk away. Let them come down under their own autonomy.
Well put Martyn
He’s still trying to pay off his brain transplant Martyn
Andrew. They’re legally responsible for those children in lieu parentis, and would be criminally liable if they did this. The kids may be too immature to foresee any consequences or unwanted outcomes from their actions, but the adults in charge shouldn’t be. Right now, the gaolers who oversaw the brutal fighting are liable to face charges for that, but the dynamics appear far from simple.
But Hon. Kelvin Davis is concerned and has called for a Review….that will fix it.
In 2015 Kelvin Davis is on record of calling out the National minister of OT to resign over inmates fighting .Funny that !
KFC = National disaster ‘Obesity epedimic. Way bigger issue than climate change or fight club.
They should be lured from roof with broccoli and spinach.
Yes, OT needs nutritionists and chefs as well as mentors and employment trainers.
Whoever thinks that this is news aint been paying attention. This type of shit has been happening for decades in bostals, now juvenile facilities since their inception. Before these units were around we had DC then CT which is equivalent to military training without guns.
A portion of boys that were placed in these facilities went on to commit further crimes. It’s not an easy fix however we as a society can’t give up on these young boys and girls. They need role models and that where the gangs come in to fill that void that missing in their lives. Not a great outcome but when they progress from these facilities to prison big tough men with status becomes appealing so believe that they have to live up to this status by acting out in the most negative way possible that has short term rewards.
There a lot of peer pressure to conform to this culture of tough anti-social behavior or you’re labelled as a pussy or soft. Who you associate with and your environment has huge significance in the type of life you lead. Maybe a policy of drafting these young men & woman into the military could lead to better outcomes for them? We’ve gotta try something right!!




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Although it was far from perfect, Ryan Garcia reminded boxing fans of his explosiveness on Saturday as the junior welterweight star successfully rebounded from the first defeat of his career. 
Garcia (24-1, 20 KOs), despite a fight week soaked in drama amid a war of words with his own promoters, showed no mercy to Mexican slugger Oscar Duarte (26-2-1, 21 KOs) in an eighth-round TKO inside the Toyota Center in Houston. 
Not only did the victory mark the 25-year-old Garcia’s return to the win column just eight months removed from his knockout loss to Gervonta Davis in their pay-per-view blockbuster, it also marked a successful debut of his new partnership with 2022 trainer of the year Derrick James, who became Garcia’s third head coach in as many years. 
“It was a great performance but I just want to give honor to God and give him the glory,” Garcia said. “I fought hard to find myself again. I did a lot of soul searching and I just wanted to thank him.
“[Duarte] was a strong fighter. He took a good punch. He’s a Mexican fighter like me and he’s tough. I hit him with some hard shots but he just kept coming. I started using my legs, just as Derrick told me to between rounds, and it opened up the shots.”
Garcia’s ability to focus was impressive considering the potential distraction of his nasty feud with Golden Boy Promotions, which geared up to an all-new level at Thursday’s final press conference when Garcia, Oscar De La Hoya and Bernard Hopkins took turns airing out their private laundry. 
“It just comes with the territory,” Garcia said. “I am a person about moving forward and having a kind heart and showing forgiveness so I just keep it at that. I want to show positivity in this world. I said what I said but I hold no hard feelings.”
Despite the highlight-reel finish to the fight, which began when Garcia stung Duarte with a beautiful check left hook in Round 8, the total sum of Garcia’s comeback performance was a mixed bag. 
While it’s certainly a result that could be excused for the first fight of a new relationship between trainer and fighter, Garcia continued to show puzzling (and potentially dangerous) reactions to Duarte’s pressure and spent most of the middle rounds avoiding exchanging of any kind as the crowd booed Garcia’s constant movement.
Yet, the very thing that makes Garcia so dynamic — the lethal combination of his speed and power — exploded virtually out of nowhere in Round 8 to instantly combust a close fight. After hurting Duarte badly with his counter left hook, Garcia exploded with combinations to eventually drop Duarte. 
Even though Duarte was able to beat the count, referee James Green didn’t like the look in his eyes and waved off the fight at 2:51 of the round. 
“I have a killer instinct,” Garcia said. “Sometimes, when I am hurting somebody that bad, I am just cracking them. But I caught him with a perfect left hook. 
“I just had to slow his momentum down. He was building momentum, momentum and I knew I had to cut this off somehow.”
The fact that Garcia outlanded Duarte by a single punch, according to CompuBox, explains how close this fight felt until it was over. Garcia praised James for his effort after the fight and called for a title shot at 140 pounds against WBA champion Rolando “Rolly” Romero.
“It’s our first fight. [James and I] worked hard,” Garcia said. “We are going to build off this and are committed to get better. I’m committing to becoming a world champion so, if Rolly wants it, let’s do this.”
CBS Sports was with you throughout the entire way on Saturday with the live results and highlights below. 
R8: Duarte beats the count but the referee doesn’t like what he saw. The fight is stopped! It’s a dramatic finish for Ryan Garcia. Result: Ryan Garcia def. Oscar Duarte via eighth-round TKO

R8: Big left hand from Garcia hurts Duarte and down he goes!
R8: Duarte simply isn’t throwing enough to take advantage of Garcia lowering his output. 
R8: The main issue here is that Garcia is actively avoiding any punch exchanges by moving which suggests either an injury or insecurity. 
ROUND 8: Good sticking and moving from Garcia, even though the crowd isn’t wrong to boo his lack of output. 
R7: Garcia takes the round despite angering the fans late. Score: 10-9 Garcia (Overall: 68-65 Garcia)
R7: Garcia spends the last minute on his bicycle actively avoiding Duarte. The only issue is he isn’t throwing while doing this. It draws boos from the crowd. 
ROUND 7: Big attacks from Garcia with powerful right hands. Duarte was covering up and only absorbed partial impact but that statement was felt. Garcia catches Duarte big again with a right cross. 
R6: Good counter right hand from Garcia caught Duarte coming in. Score: 10-9 Garcia (Overall: 58-56 Garcia)
R6: Good defense from Garcia as Duarte came forward with punches. Duarte continues to hammer away at the guard of Garcia, hoping one slips through. 
R6: Right hand to the body from Garcia. This is almost a modified shoulder roll defense from Garcia and he doesn’t look fully comfortable with it. 
ROUND 6: Big right uppercut from Garcia and Duarte looks hurt. Back comes Duarte, however, with body shots. 
R5: Close round but Garcia landed the cleaner shots. Score: 10-9 Garcia (Overall: 48-47 Garcia)
R5: Left hook to the body from Garcia lands low and the crowd boos following the referee’s warning. 
R5: Good head movement from Garcia to avoid Duarte’s aggressive punches. They trade body shots in the clinch. Garcia is standing up strong this round. 
R5: Big uppercuts from Garcia split the guard of Duarte. 
ROUND 5: Garcia opens stronger with stinging left hooks to Duarte. Big uppercut from Garcia lands. 
R4: Another round for Duarte and he mostly did it with pressure and body shots.  Score: 10-9 Duarte (Overall: 38-38)
R4: Duarte warned for a low blow while the two fighters were tied up. Nice left hooks to the body from Duarte. 
R4: Good body work from Duarte in the corner. He’s not landing everything flush but the judges have to be taking note of this momentum movement. 
R4: The rabbit punch appeared partially to come because Garcia nearly turned his back on the action in trying to avoid Duarte’s pressure. 
ROUND 4: More pressure from Duarte backs Garcia up to the corner. Nice body work. Garcia is starting to react in somewhat troubling ways to this pressure. Duarte gets warned for a rabbit punch. 
R3: Garcia facing much more resistance here. Good round from Duarte with solid pressure. Score: 10-9 Duarte (Overall: 29-28 Garcia)

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